Comments on: US Airways’ pilots torpedo ALPA — vote in USAPA http://www.expertcruiser.com/blog/us-airways-pilots-torpedo-alpa-vote-in-usapa/ Where savvy cruisers search Fri, 4 Jul 2008 18:05:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Barely affected http://www.expertcruiser.com/blog/us-airways-pilots-torpedo-alpa-vote-in-usapa/#comment-986 Barely affected Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:49:30 +0000 http://www.expertcruiser.com/blog/us-airways-pilots-torpedo-alpa-vote-in-usapa/#comment-986 Cactus, It is pure speculation what would have happened to US. I could speculate... if that is what we are doing, that AWA would have been right behind US in chap 7, so get over this "AWA saved them" thing. They saved each other! I think the attitude you are taking is certainly short sighted and self destructive. What would you do if the roles were reversed? I would guess the same thing! I, as one who is directly affected by the Nic award, am not looking for some magic bullet to the left seat. Just a little (little)consideration for the time and effort, and sacrifice I brought to the table to make the combined company... our company, a better place to work for you and me. I would prefer alpa still be here. I think they bring allot to the table, But I do think their merger policy should never have allowed any pilot group to become so negativley affected. Remove the emotion... and realize ther we are thye same. Just group A and group B, and no group is any better than the other and both likley would take the same action in opposite roles. Both groups should feel the pain and face the disappointments equally. That being said, I can face it like a man and realize that when you send the case to an arbritrator, you must face the consequences. But I think those consequences and decisions must fit into a thighter framework, and that is where alpa has let everyone down. I do believe they are more politics involved than I am aware of. Things are getting worse out there in the industry and we need to buckle down, take our respective hits and move on. Life aint a dress rehearsal. I admire your fortitude and look forward to flying with you. Cactus,
It is pure speculation what would have happened to US. I could speculate… if that is what we are doing, that AWA would have been right behind US in chap 7, so get over this “AWA saved them” thing. They saved each other!

I think the attitude you are taking is certainly short sighted and self destructive. What would you do if the roles were reversed? I would guess the same thing! I, as one who is directly affected by the Nic award, am not looking for some magic bullet to the left seat. Just a little (little)consideration for the time and effort, and sacrifice I brought to the table to make the combined company… our company, a better place to work for you and me.

I would prefer alpa still be here. I think they bring allot to the table, But I do think their merger policy should never have allowed any pilot group to become so negativley affected. Remove the emotion… and realize ther we are thye same. Just group A and group B, and no group is any better than the other and both likley would take the same action in opposite roles. Both groups should feel the pain and face the disappointments equally. That being said, I can face it like a man and realize that when you send the case to an arbritrator, you must face the consequences. But I think those consequences and decisions must fit into a thighter framework, and that is where alpa has let everyone down.

I do believe they are more politics involved than I am aware of.

Things are getting worse out there in the industry and we need to buckle down, take our respective hits and move on. Life aint a dress rehearsal. I admire your fortitude and look forward to flying with you.

]]> By: SaveDave http://www.expertcruiser.com/blog/us-airways-pilots-torpedo-alpa-vote-in-usapa/#comment-936 SaveDave Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:27:40 +0000 http://www.expertcruiser.com/blog/us-airways-pilots-torpedo-alpa-vote-in-usapa/#comment-936 ALPA negotiated the worst pilot contract in the industry, gave away our pension, opposed pay parity, tried to force an unfair and inequitable seniority list and to top it off forcibly removed the elected PHL pilot representitives. USAPA has a big mess left by ALPA to clean up. The America West pilots will have to choose whether to help with contract improvements and to settle seniority issues or to engage in anti-union and union busting activities which will harm all professional pilots. Dave ALPA negotiated the worst pilot contract in the industry, gave away our pension, opposed pay parity, tried to force an unfair and inequitable seniority list and to top it off forcibly removed the elected PHL pilot representitives.

USAPA has a big mess left by ALPA to clean up. The America West pilots will have to choose whether to help with contract improvements and to settle seniority issues or to engage in anti-union and union busting activities which will harm all professional pilots.

Dave

]]> By: anita http://www.expertcruiser.com/blog/us-airways-pilots-torpedo-alpa-vote-in-usapa/#comment-935 anita Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:10:09 +0000 http://www.expertcruiser.com/blog/us-airways-pilots-torpedo-alpa-vote-in-usapa/#comment-935 JustAPilot, Having been an airline employee throwing around the term "SCAB" is inappropriate. Furthermore, when used in the wrong way it makes the person saying it look like a fool. Here's what SCAB is: 4. Slang A person regarded as contemptible. 5. a. A worker who refuses membership in a labor union. b. An employee who works while others are on strike; a strikebreaker. c. A person hired to replace a striking worker. intr.v. scabbed, scab·bing, scabs 1. To become covered with scabs or a scab. 2. To work or take a job as a scab. SO....since you West pilots don't want to be in USAPA does that make you guys SCABS? Just curious. Regards, Anita JustAPilot,
Having been an airline employee throwing around the term “SCAB” is inappropriate. Furthermore, when used in the wrong way it makes the person saying it look like a fool.

Here’s what SCAB is:
4. Slang A person regarded as contemptible.
5.
a. A worker who refuses membership in a labor union.
b. An employee who works while others are on strike; a strikebreaker.
c. A person hired to replace a striking worker.
intr.v. scabbed, scab·bing, scabs
1. To become covered with scabs or a scab.
2. To work or take a job as a scab.

SO….since you West pilots don’t want to be in USAPA does that make you guys SCABS? Just curious.

Regards,
Anita

]]> By: JustAPilot http://www.expertcruiser.com/blog/us-airways-pilots-torpedo-alpa-vote-in-usapa/#comment-931 JustAPilot Fri, 18 Apr 2008 05:57:33 +0000 http://www.expertcruiser.com/blog/us-airways-pilots-torpedo-alpa-vote-in-usapa/#comment-931 Doug Parker and gang should have simply waited a couple of days and allowed USAirways to file Chapter 7. You greedy, underhanded snakes who call yourselves experienced, professional pilots should understand that had that been done, you wouldn't even have a job right now! Doug Parker saved your worthless butts and the America West pilots are paying the tab. If you were the professionals you claim to be, you would appreciate the second chance you have been given, shut your whining traps, and get on with your lives. Instead, I expect that you will collectively do whatever you can to ensure that the America West pilots get stapled to the bottom of your list. What's the definition of the word "Scab" again? Doug Parker and gang should have simply waited a couple of days and allowed USAirways to file Chapter 7. You greedy, underhanded snakes who call yourselves experienced, professional pilots should understand that had that been done, you wouldn’t even have a job right now! Doug Parker saved your worthless butts and the America West pilots are paying the tab. If you were the professionals you claim to be, you would appreciate the second chance you have been given, shut your whining traps, and get on with your lives. Instead, I expect that you will collectively do whatever you can to ensure that the America West pilots get stapled to the bottom of your list. What’s the definition of the word “Scab” again?

]]> By: anita http://www.expertcruiser.com/blog/us-airways-pilots-torpedo-alpa-vote-in-usapa/#comment-927 anita Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:06:22 +0000 http://www.expertcruiser.com/blog/us-airways-pilots-torpedo-alpa-vote-in-usapa/#comment-927 CactusBus, Yup, I am a BIG USAPA fan. Go read my bio. Seniority matters! Anita CactusBus,

Yup, I am a BIG USAPA fan. Go read my bio. Seniority matters!

Anita

]]> By: SaveDave http://www.expertcruiser.com/blog/us-airways-pilots-torpedo-alpa-vote-in-usapa/#comment-926 SaveDave Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:05:29 +0000 http://www.expertcruiser.com/blog/us-airways-pilots-torpedo-alpa-vote-in-usapa/#comment-926 The America West pilots and ALPA were told clearly their seniority proposal of putting West pilots with 2 months seniority ahead of East pilots with 17 years would never be acceptable. They just got their head handed to them by USAPA as a consequence of their greed. Thanks to the US East pilots for standing up to the greed and corruption of ALPA. Dave The America West pilots and ALPA were told clearly their seniority proposal of putting West pilots with 2 months seniority ahead of East pilots with 17 years would never be acceptable. They just got their head handed to them by USAPA as a consequence of their greed.

Thanks to the US East pilots for standing up to the greed and corruption of ALPA.

Dave

]]> By: CactusBus http://www.expertcruiser.com/blog/us-airways-pilots-torpedo-alpa-vote-in-usapa/#comment-925 CactusBus Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:01:24 +0000 http://www.expertcruiser.com/blog/us-airways-pilots-torpedo-alpa-vote-in-usapa/#comment-925 I meant to ask why is USAPA's press release on a cruise site? You guys USAPA fans? Dan I meant to ask why is USAPA’s press release on a cruise site? You guys USAPA fans?

Dan

]]> By: anita http://www.expertcruiser.com/blog/us-airways-pilots-torpedo-alpa-vote-in-usapa/#comment-924 anita Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:41:30 +0000 http://www.expertcruiser.com/blog/us-airways-pilots-torpedo-alpa-vote-in-usapa/#comment-924 Congratulations US East pilots! Way to go! Anita Congratulations US East pilots!

Way to go!

Anita

]]> By: USCLT http://www.expertcruiser.com/blog/us-airways-pilots-torpedo-alpa-vote-in-usapa/#comment-923 USCLT Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:39:36 +0000 http://www.expertcruiser.com/blog/us-airways-pilots-torpedo-alpa-vote-in-usapa/#comment-923 good job guys! it's about time we took control of our futures. down with alpa. good job guys! it’s about time we took control of our futures. down with alpa.

]]> By: CactusBus http://www.expertcruiser.com/blog/us-airways-pilots-torpedo-alpa-vote-in-usapa/#comment-922 CactusBus Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:31:34 +0000 http://www.expertcruiser.com/blog/us-airways-pilots-torpedo-alpa-vote-in-usapa/#comment-922 USAPA is a joke. We'll never pay dues good luck with that. We'll sue. You Easties wouldn't be here without the merger. What goes around comes around. Dan USAPA is a joke. We’ll never pay dues good luck with that. We’ll sue. You Easties wouldn’t be here without the merger. What goes around comes around.

Dan

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